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Ellen Cooney, novelist and professor of creative writing, on her scripting of lesbian characters

Wayne Beyer & Scott Kerlin, doctor and researcher, on the impact of DES exposure on male offspring

" ...[some are saying that] we have an environmental catastrophe on our hands that is only beginning to really manifest in human beings. "
- Scott Kerlin

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00:00 Introduction and commentary, including:
• Amy Bloom's "Normal"
• Movie: "Shipping News"
7:54 KJ Ward, Boston GLASS director, tell us about their upcoming fundraiser. GLASS is a Boston-area drop-in center for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender young people between the ages of 13 and 25. Learn more about them at
12:40 Question of the Week
" I have a small problem. I know these girls that I met on line and have talked to on the phone. They are nice people and they say they want to transition (MtF) but they are afraid that if they do they will lose friends, family, and jobs... How do I tell them that it is not always that way? No matter what I suggest, even little stuff like electrolysis seems to send them into a twist of "If I do that then there will be questions and I will be outted". What would you do? I really do want to help but just cannot seem to get through to them. "
(from: Dee, Sioux City Iowa)
19:43 Hal Fuller's Twisted Nasty News
30:13 Our guest teaches creative writing at MIT, Radcliffe, and Harvard, and is the author of four novels. Her most recent, "The White Palazzo," is a wild tale of a woman who ditches her fianc´┐Ż and then falls in love with another woman. Join us for a delightful conversation with Ellen Cooney, who talks about her lovingly creative approach to writing and storytelling.

For more information:
• Learn more about her book, " The Old Ballerina"
54:21 Special Message
55:22 Boston area (and national) announcements
60:00 You've heard of DES daughters, but what about DES sons? Some are saying that these men are evidencing the leading edge of an environmental catastrophe. Join us as we question researcher Scott Kerlin and medical doctor Wayne Beyer on the effects of pre-natal DES exposure on males.

Scott Kerlin, PhD is the head of the DES Sons International Network. He is a professional counsellor and researcher originally from the United States and now living and working in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. Kerlin has been a university lecturer, counsellor, research manager, college administrator, and private research consultant since completing his Ph.D. in 1992. His interdisciplinary research about human sexuality, gender, and reproductive health spans more than 20 years, and his research about the human effects of DES spans the last seven years.

Wayne Beyer, MD is a retired ophthalmic surgeon, graduate of Cornell University and the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. Says Beyer, "I was exposed to DES in utero in 1951 and subsequently developed a host of congenital anomalies, urogenital and psychological problems. I consider myself intersexed, both genitally as well as neurologically, and have begun my transition from living as a man to living as a woman. I discovered my exposure to DES in the 1980's after searching for decades to discover the cause of my gender 'confusion.' I came across the DES Sons website in 2000, hooked up with Scott Kerlin and have grown into the position of co-moderator and resident medical expert for the list. I am actively pushing the Sons' interests with various political and research groups, trying to bring the scientific, medical and environmental communities together to head off the burgeoning endocrine disruptor crisis. "

DES Sons International Network deals with helping and educating those 'born male' or 'assigned at birth as male', to be more precise, who were exposed to DES (diethylstilbestrol) in utero. There are about 2.5 million such persons in the US, millions more world-wide. "We are the tip of the 'endocrine disruptor' iceberg, which promises to have far-reaching effects on the human population. We have strong evidence to show that DES causes gender variance as well as cancer, infertility, autoimmune diseases and a host of other problems in "men," to complement what is already known and accepted regarding its effects in exposed women (cancer, infertility, homosexuality)."

For more information:
• Visit the current website for the DES-Trans Gender Support Group at
• Links to DES Information Resources:
• Join the DES-Trans email group by sending a blank e-mail to
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