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Same-Sex Marriage:

Gail & Betsy Leondar-Wright, social justice activists and devoted partners, join us on the first day of legal "gender-blind" (AKA Same-Sex) marriage in Massachusetts to talk about their upcoming wedding and the politics of gender-blind marriage.

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00:00 Introduction
  • Brown and gender-blind marriage: coincidence or meaningful?
  • Moving towards separate communities?
  • Marriage and love as a radical act?
  • Song excerpt: "To Their Love", an alternative wedding song, by Stephen G. Wills. For more information and the complete song, please see
  • Gender-blind marriage and transgender community
  • Tranny marriage in Massachusetts with proposals
22:39 Question of the Week

"I'm an FTM in a relationship with a lesbian-identified woman. When we first began dating, I wasn't even sure where I stood regarding my gender. I've "come out" to her about this, and she really doesn't know how to deal with this.... any suggestions? "
(From: KC)

29:00 Hal Fuller's Twisted Nasty News:
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  • Music for newlyweds by Leonard Bernstein
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42:56 Boston area (and national) announcements compiled by Ethan St. Pierre
45:31 On the first day of legal gender-blind marriage in Massachusetts, the mood is celebratory throughout the Commonwealth. Our guests, Gail & Betsy Leondar-Wright, are due to be married in just 6 days, and have been prominently quoted and pictured in national publications. They are both committted to lives of progressive activism, and their marriage is one more such act. We talked with them about the politics of gender blind (same-sex) marriage, including their reasons for marrying, and their answers to those activists who object to participation in an institution with a long history of patriarical oppression of women.

Gail Leondar-Wright is the founder of gail leondar public relations, which promotes progressive books. She's publicized over 350 titles on peace, justice, environmental protection, human rights, feminism, and gay, lesbian and transgender concerns. Her clients have included Kate Bornstein, Leslie Feinberg, and Riki Anne Wilchins. With her partner, Betsy, she has been giving media interviews about marriage for gay and lesbian couples from a progressive feminist perspective.

Betsy Leondar-Wright is the Communications Director of United for a Fair Economy, which spotlights growing economic inequality. Her forthcoming book, "Class Matters: Cross-Class Alliance Building for Middle-Class Activists," is excerpted on her website,

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